President Donald Trump really wants to know if he’s ever going to see those Pearly Gates.Though Trump is regarded as “anointed by God” by some of his supporters, the 79-year-old president has admitted recently he’s not so sure if he’s good enough to get into heaven. In August, he confessed to Fox News he wasn’t too optimistic about making it to kingdom come, though he said that his chances might improve if he’s able to end the war in Ukraine.“But if I can save 7,000 people a week from being killed, I think that’s a pretty … I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,” Trump said. “I’m hearing I’m not doing well. I am really at the bottom of the totem pole. But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons.” HuffPost Life delivers practical, reliable advice to navigate life’s challenges and make informed decisions. Support journalism that empowers you — join our membership program today.That same week, he talked about there being “some kind of a report card up there someplace.” (Letter grading or “good job” stickers?) Previously, Trump had mused that, without a belief in heaven, he wonders why anyone would even be moral to begin with. “If you don’t have heaven, you almost say, ‘What’s the reason? Why do I have to be good?’” he wondered during the interview on “Fox & Friends” last year. Last week, Fox News’ Peter Doocy asked the president on board Air Force One as he headed to Israel if he thought his plan for peace between Israel and Hamas would bolster his chances of getting in. “I’m being a little cute. I don’t think there’s anything going to get me in heaven, OK? I really don’t,” Trump replied.Doocy: Does this help get you into heaven?Trump: I don’t think there’s anything that’s going to get me into heaven. I think I’m not heaven bound. pic.twitter.com/qoShp4Q9Mx— Acyn (@Acyn) October 12, 2025“I think I’m not maybe heaven-bound,” he said, perhaps a bit wistfully. “I may be in heaven right now as we fly in Air Force One. I’m not sure I’m gonna be able to make heaven, but I’ve made life a lot better for a lot of people.”It would be nice to think the president is newly into theological studies ― a late-in-life interest in Augustine of Hippo, for instance, or the works of Reinhold Niebuhr ― but Trump’s interest seems more me-based than anything: Am I, Donald J. Trump, getting into heaven? What’s my cosmic scoreboard looking like up there? as if it were a round of golf. In any case, it’s incredibly odd to have access to a sitting president’s stream of conscious thoughts about heaven. Since his fixation on heaven seems ongoing, we asked experts ― Christian-based therapists and psychologists who specialize in death anxiety ― to analyze what a focus on the hereafter might reveal.Illustration: Kelly Caminero/HuffPost; Photo: Getty Images“I think I’m not maybe heaven-bound,” Trump said earlier this month. Thoughts about the afterlife tend to crop up in later life.At 79, President Trump is getting up there. “You know, there’s a certain point at which you don’t want to hear ‘Happy Birthday,’” he said when he turned 78. “You just want to pretend the day doesn’t exist.”While a person can begin thinking about heaven at any point in their life span, it’s often brought up when you’re forced to contemplate your age, said Cynthia Shaw, a New York-based psychologist specializing in existential confrontation, loneliness and selfhood. “Birthdays, anniversaries, milestones and major life events often bring up moments of reflection for us as humans,” she said. “We may begin to question: What have we accomplished in life up until this point? And are we satisfied with the life we have led thus far?”In other words, when you’re approaching 80, you’re not just concerned about the big UFC fight birthday party you plan to throw on the White House lawn, you’re also concerned about legacy and what you’re leaving behind. He might be experiencing some ‘death anxiety.’ Death anxiety, also known as thanatophobia, is the fear or worry surrounding one’s own mortality. Concerns like Trump’s reflect a common psychological pattern for those grappling with such anxiety, according to Rachel Menzies, a psychologist and author of “Mortals: How the Fear of Death Shaped Human Society.”“The idea that goodness or achievement can somehow protect us from the finality of death is believed by many,” she said. “It’s often a way of managing the uncomfortable truth that mortality is outside our control, by turning it into something we can earn, influence or negotiate.”Bloomberg via Getty Images”[Trump] puts on display a performance-based and transactional misunderstanding of salvation and heaven,” said Christian-based therapist Sobeyda Valle-Ellis. “He is thinking aloud, ‘If I do this many good deeds, maybe I’ll make it to heaven.'”Charlie Kirk’s death might be weighing on him, too.The subject also might be on his mind after the death of political pundit and ally Charlie Kirk last month. While posthumously awarding Kirk with the Presidential Medal of Freedom last week, Trump naturally brought up heaven once more.“[Kirk] now rests in heaven, and he’s gonna make heaven,” he said. “I said I’m not sure I’m gonna make it. But he’s gonna make it.”According to Gabrielle Ferrara, a therapist at the Lukin Center for Psychotherapy, we often feel anxiety about our own mortality after losing someone.“We might be faced with coming to terms with our own mortality, or our own potential for getting sick and passing away,” she wrote on the center’s blog. “And it’s the uncertainty surrounding the situation that can be very anxiety-inducing.”His scoreboard way of looking at heaven is at odds with Christian beliefs. This is a 79-year old man wondering whether his good deeds can outweigh his bad ones, said Sobeyda Valle-Ellis, a therapist and director of HeartMatters NYC, a gospel-centered therapy group. “He puts on display a performance-based and transactional misunderstanding of salvation and heaven,” Valle-Ellis told HuffPost. “He is thinking aloud, ‘If I do this many good deeds, maybe I’ll make it to heaven.’” As Trump said about Ukraine, “If I can save 7,000 people a week from being killed, I think that’s a pretty … I want to try and get to heaven, if possible.” Trump seems to view admission into heaven as a merit system where you earn access through good deeds, Valle-Ellis explained. “But this is theologically at odds with the Christian teaching that salvation and admission into heaven are a gift of grace based on the work of Christ, that cannot be earned by being a good person,” she said. “Still, this is actually what many people believe about heaven, even some Christians.”Anna Moneymaker via Getty ImagesPeople pray over President Donald Trump during a roundtable discussion at the Latino Summit held at Trump National Doral Golf Club on Oct. 22, 2024, in Doral, Florida.His way of thinking about heaven is popular among politicians. Interestingly, Trump isn’t the first U.S. politician to muse out loud about whether or not his good political or geopolitical deeds will get him into heaven. YourSupportMakes The StoryYour SupportFuelsOur MissionYour SupportFuelsOur MissionJoin Those Who Make It PossibleHuffPost stands apart because we report for the people, not the powerful. Our journalism is fearless, inclusive, and unfiltered. Join the membership program and help strengthen news that puts people first.We remain committed to providing you with the unflinching, fact-based journalism everyone deserves.Thank you again for your support along the way. We’re truly grateful for readers like you! Your initial support helped get us here and bolstered our newsroom, which kept us strong during uncertain times. Now as we continue, we need your help more than ever. We hope you will join us once again.We remain committed to providing you with the unflinching, fact-based journalism everyone deserves.Thank you again for your support along the way. We’re truly grateful for readers like you! Your initial support helped get us here and bolstered our newsroom, which kept us strong during uncertain times. Now as we continue, we need your help more than ever. We hope you will join us once again.Support HuffPostAlready a member? Log in to hide these messages.“I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in,” former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a 2014 New York Times interview. “I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close.”What Mayor Mike and Trump don’t get is that it’s not about “earning” your place in heaven. You cannot, through good deeds, buy your salvation. Ultimately, getting into heaven is not about being good enough, Valle-Ellis said. “It’s about being loved by God more than I dare hoped,” she said. “Tim Keller summarized the Christian hope as, ‘We are more sinful and flawed than we dared believe, yet at the very same time we are more loved and accepted than you dare hoped.’”